Discussion:
WE KNOW WHO THEY WERE
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Garlon3A
2005-12-24 23:13:15 UTC
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Here is one big piece of evidence that the Holocaust happened: we know the
names of the people who were killed. There is not on Jew in the USA,
Israel, or Europe, who cannot name you family members who were killed in the
holocaust. The simple fact is that before WW2 there were around 11 million
jews in all of europe, and after ww2 there were around 5 million jews.
where did these jews go? they didnt go to israel...israel had only 600,000
jews in 1948. they didnt go to the usa...the usa only had around 4 million
jews. poland had 3,300,000 jews before ww2 and only 300,000 after the war.
the jewish population of the ussr did not increase by 3,000,000.

it doesnt really matter if the number is 6 million, or 5 million, or 7
million. all that matters is the fact is that millions of innocent jews
were killed by the nazis and their collaborators. and denying this
fact...only denies your own humanity.
Hank McSpank
2005-12-26 02:15:37 UTC
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Post by Garlon3A
Here is one big piece of evidence that the Holocaust happened: we know the
names of the people who were killed. There is not on Jew in the USA,
Israel, or Europe, who cannot name you family members who were killed in the
holocaust. The simple fact is that before WW2 there were around 11 million
jews in all of europe, and after ww2 there were around 5 million jews.
where did these jews go? they didnt go to israel...israel had only 600,000
jews in 1948. they didnt go to the usa...the usa only had around 4 million
jews. poland had 3,300,000 jews before ww2 and only 300,000 after the war.
the jewish population of the ussr did not increase by 3,000,000.
it doesnt really matter if the number is 6 million, or 5 million, or 7
million. all that matters is the fact is that millions of innocent jews
were killed by the nazis and their collaborators. and denying this
fact...only denies your own humanity.
actually the european jewish population increased during the second
world war. They also seemed to have millions more compensation claimants
than there were jews in europe too. Funny that.
Also at the end of the war it was a jailable offense(allied military
directive) to claim that germans used gas and had a program of genocide.
MonsieurStat
2005-12-29 23:26:41 UTC
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To conclude this thread, here are some expert opinions on the matter.

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Following President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's remarks on the occupying Zionist
regime, western media reacted harshly and hastily to the issue.

Three anti-Zionist expatriate activists residing in Britain were asked to
give their views on the issue by London-based IRNA reporter.

One of the political activists, head of a civil institution called `Campaign
for Solidarity with Palestine', Gill Kaffash, told IRNA that the issue of
`Holocaust' aside from being either a historical fact or overvalued cannot
basically serve to justify Israel's tyranny against the Palestinian people.

"There is no doubt that a great number of Jews along with other victims of
the Nazi army were killed by Hitler. However, historical phenomena need to
be further examined to uncover the truth. Therefore banning opposition to
the theses termed as `invariable reality' is irrational," she said.

Kaffash noted that in a country where people enjoy freedom of expression,
grounds should be prepared for expression of new opinions.

She added that it is strange that in such a community even debating against
`Holocaust' is considered a crime.

Kaffash rejected the idea of preventing various outlooks being expressed on
the issue.

Having just returned from a five-week visit to Palestine, she said that the
Palestinian nation is still striving to survive and protect its identity.

"Palestinians are shock-resistant and quite unlikely to display their clear
approach towards sensitive issues which can damage some of their
achievements.

"The Europeans do not admit that they are responsible for killing the Jews
in World War II and bringing up the fact that Palestinians should not be
victimized for such massacre is correct," concluded the British activist.

Another activist, a member of the `Association of Palestinian Community in
UK', H. Rajab, talking to IRNA, confirmed President Ahmadinejad's outlook
and said that Zionist leaders use the massacre of the Jews by the Nazis as a
pretext to justify their occupation of Palestine.

"Meanwhile, the Palestinians believe that if the Jews are provided a safe
haven in the heart of Europe and settled there it would be better for
everyone.

"Though the Europeans admit that they have mistreated the Jews in the past,
rather than seeking the solution in their own land to compensate for their
past mistakes, they have kept on the process of sending migrants to
Palestinian lands and developing townships illegally resided by Jews for the
past 60 years," he added.

The Palestinian activist noted that formation of an Israeli government dates
back to the period the Palestinians were under British protectorate, when
the Israelis were granted lands which did not belong to them.

"As a Palestinian, I can never accept an Israeli government officially
recognized in the occupied lands belonging to Palestine.

However, under the current conditions, the Palestinian people have no option
but to move step by step.

"The Palestinians do not trust the Middle East Arab states and any
anti-Israeli move by them is immediately condemned by the US and Europe, so
there remains no chance for establishment of a Palestinian government," he
added.

Besides, he said that Israel seeks to pretend that the Palestinian
Resistance Movement as a campaign against Jews to continue its illegal
occupation of Palestine under such a pretext.

"Ahmadinejad's statement on Israel is not directed against its residents,
but rather targets the Israeli government in the region," he said.

Rajab hoped that in the long-term they will manage to put an end to the
current racist government by gaining the majority of the Palestinian
Authority, similar to what happened in South Africa.

The activist said that in a poll last year, 69 percent of the Europeans
considered Israel as the first potential threat for international security.

"When the Israeli government is taken by the European people as a threat to
world peace, why should Palestinians not think so and why should they fall
victim to such a dangerous government?" he concluded.

A British Jew, who is an opponent of the Israeli government, told IRNA that
the remarks of Iranian president has been misinterpreted.

He noted that the Israeli officials make negative use of Ahmadinejad's
remarks to create a sense of fear among Israeli residents and justify their
warmongering plans.

As the manager of a British peace institution, he said that recently some
films revealing the racist activities of the Zionist regime in occupied
lands were screened in London.
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Post by Garlon3A
Here is one big piece of evidence that the Holocaust happened: we know
the names of the people who were killed. There is not on Jew in the USA,
Israel, or Europe, who cannot name you family members who were killed in
the holocaust. The simple fact is that before WW2 there were around 11
million jews in all of europe, and after ww2 there were around 5 million
jews. where did these jews go? they didnt go to israel...israel had only
600,000 jews in 1948. they didnt go to the usa...the usa only had around
4 million jews. poland had 3,300,000 jews before ww2 and only 300,000
after the war. the jewish population of the ussr did not increase by
3,000,000.
it doesnt really matter if the number is 6 million, or 5 million, or 7
million. all that matters is the fact is that millions of innocent jews
were killed by the nazis and their collaborators. and denying this
fact...only denies your own humanity.
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